> "A web extension that redirects YouTube, Instagram, Reddit, TikTok and other websites to alternative privacy-friendly frontends."
DavCreator 1 days ago [-]
Would love to redirect more often to shitter instances with https://xxcancel.com.
But there seems to be a bug loading images (e.g. profile pictures or attached pictures to tweets) in Firefox.
Wont show any pictures in Firefox for me. Works in Chrome. Can this be fixed? Thank you!
ibejoeb 1 days ago [-]
It doesn't proxy the images, so they won't load with enhanced tracking protection enabled.
DavCreator 9 hours ago [-]
Ahhh, makes sense. Thank you!
wolvoleo 1 days ago [-]
I wonder if a bridge could be built that would bridge the few accounts that still matter on X to something like mastodon or blue sky
moopie 1 days ago [-]
There’s really no reason to bother with social networks owned by literal far right supporters
smith7018 1 days ago [-]
I generally agree but I'm still frequently linked to X and I'm either unable to view the content because I don't have an account or I don't click because I don't want to visit the site. These services allow me to access the user content without having to go through X, itself. I wish hackers/the tech industry moved off of X like most users but here we are.
moomin 1 days ago [-]
I've reached the point where I go "If it's on Twitter I don't need to know". We'll all reach that point eventually.
queenkjuul 14 hours ago [-]
Journalists and companies and governments need to stop using it before i can stop using nitter
CamperBob2 1 days ago [-]
Problem is, sometimes I do need to see the content.
If only someone would "just" fucking build a viable replacement for Twitter. It's a weekend's work with the tools now available. C'mon. (pokes stick)
deaf_coder 1 days ago [-]
You mean like Bluesky, Threads, or Mastodon?
Those services are available, however, people would not stop using Twitter and will continue to do so until we stop consuming their content, then maybe they will finally get off Twitter...
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
It's companies. Corporate PR accounts never migrate off to Mastodon/Bluesky/Threads. Many neglects update of updates pages, announcing everything on Twitter.
Some of them would move to Instagram if it makes sense to do so, but Twitter apparently makes the best ad ROI figures among Twitter-like services.
DroneBetter 1 days ago [-]
a few companies (mainly those in the open-source space) run their own Mastodon instances, though this is more common for FOSS organisations
BLKNSLVR 22 hours ago [-]
As far as I'm concerned, Corporate PR can stay nicely fenced off over on Xitter.
Keep all the bullshit in one far corner, over there, in the distance, behind the big wall, topped with razor wire.
numpad0 20 hours ago [-]
I mean, lots of local and/or small services announce disruptions on Twitter only. Many of those have separate news/service status pages on WWW, and yet neglects updates of those. Possibly because users without access to Twitter aren't worth informing.
IOW, Twitter still is a social data infrastructure, like road or tap water. Something that the society depends on, that also ain't nobody paying for it, something that only makes sense at-cost max or at a loss.
I think that was always a fundamental problem with Twitter as a for-profit company. Surely it handles a large amounts of important communications, that are also not so exploitable or monetizable, ethically or not, just fundamentally.
BLKNSLVR 22 hours ago [-]
I question your definition of 'need', mainly because my only interactions are interest-related, not work/life related, and whenever I capitulate and follow the link, it's not as interesting/useful as it was purported to be.
As such, I find it easier and easier to just not visit. This is, however, entirely my own anecdotal.
sureMan6 1 days ago [-]
It's not the fault of the users when there's no viable alternative
Bluesky is founded by the same founders of Twitter and is not open and has ridiculous policies, Mastodon is the same, even less popular and even more tyrannical
So the choice for most users, including myself, is tightly moderated spaces run by awful people, or a website run by a literal Nazi, but that at least doesn't ban me on sight
The Musk twitter acquisition (and the sieg heil at the inauguration) were pivotal moments where a good alternative could've surfaced but instead we got twitter 2.0 (and moving from Twitter to Twitter 2 seems entirely pointless even if it wasn't badly moderated on top of that)
wolvoleo 1 days ago [-]
Mastodon doesn't have policies. Every instance has their own policies. That's the strength of mastodon.
TFNA 1 days ago [-]
Mastodon devs have said many times that the mainstream fediverse, the original community that federates among itself, has a distinct culture and values that they wish to maintain in perpetuity. That is "policies". Yes, the tech allows parallel ecosystems of servers that don't federate with that original community, but when people talk about "Mastodon" like the OP did, they aren't talking about offshoot ecosystems.
wolvoleo 1 days ago [-]
They can say whatever they want but they have no control over it. That's the benefit of a truly decentralised network and free open source software.
It's like Microsoft saying they want a distinct culture among the users of their software. They can want it but it's not gonna happen. Within the mastodon community there's also a lot of servers that won't federate, for example the Germans always have very strict rules that they try to impose on everyone else. So most of the world does not federate with them anymore. *)
I mean there's even stuff like gab and truth social that run on fediverse tech. Not sure if it's mastodon itself or another implementation but that doesn't really matter. They certainly don't meet those culture and values.
And there is no 'mainstream fediverse'. Nothing about fediverse is mainstream to begin with. Unfortunately.
*) Don't get me wrong, I'm very progessive myself but the way the German fediverse community goes about it is wrong. "Follow exactly our rules otherwise you are defederated". That doesn't fly even if I agree with most of those rules.
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
Gargron, Apple, Google, all has/had policies for Mastodon, which were incompatible with more than 2/3 of its users(at peak).
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
I don't know how to understand this. Google owns Mastodon?
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
App distribution platforms threatened Mastodon client apps with a universal Mastodon ban unless the app publicly condemn and denounce Gab(proto Truth Social) with hardcoded connection refusal and every single servers would implement effective moderation.
Gargron also decided that laws in his home country considers even linking to certain images illegal and various forms of labelings and voluntary policing from abroad tangential to legality and useless.
They packaged those standards and decisions as something along necessary measures to curb terrorism or whatever, and took the measures to effectively cut off said 2/3 plus some off of the "main Mastodon network", so to speak. Those measures lasted for years, until I think less than a year ago(you'll know what I'm talking about from my immediate comment history).
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
I don't think you're supposed to have a Mastodon app, it's a web app. The gatekeepers don't allow apps that connect to arbitrary servers just like they don't allow new browsers, you could use them to bypass the 30% tax.
You could have a kolektiva app but they obviously don't want to.
What's the ""main Mastodon network""?
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
Sound logic doesn't matter to App Store review policies. The browser argument was made, and ignored. They were told to do what they were told or have the entire Mastodon compatible apps internally blacklisted.
Gab/Truth was easy and not that controversial, but content moderation was a lot more problematic, so they introduced a published instance blocklist system and had operators join the condemnation while also throwing wrenches at instance chooser interfaces online and/or hardcoded, because otherwise the "main" part will become a permanent minority.
I think any modern LLMs would see/know what I mean. Ask your agent if you need more information along this lore.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
This is the first time I've ever read a commentator tell me to just ask an LLM to write their comment for them. But for "just send me the prompt" to work, I still have to know the prompt you planned to use?
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
Just paste the whole tree and hit enter?
wolvoleo 1 days ago [-]
There's several apps for the fediverse though? I always use Voyager for Lemmy (I don't really like the short-form Twitter style socials so I use Lemmy not Mastodon).
I don't know about Apple, its ecosystem is way too closed for me. But Google offers fediverse apps.
mschuster91 1 days ago [-]
> Every instance has their own policies. That's the strength of mastodon.
And its biggest weakness because instance admins keep bitchfighting with each other, holding their users hostage.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
Just like HN and Reddit refuse to interoperate. But it's okay because you can just make a user account on HN, and one on Reddit.
mschuster91 1 days ago [-]
It's fucking annoying however to stay in touch with people. It used to be that everyone was on Twitter and that's it. Now it's AT LEAST Twitter, Threads, Bluesky, Instagram, Mastodon and a ton of other stuff and everyone is somewhere else and no one interoperates with each other.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
Speak for yourself. I never had friends on Twitter.
mschuster91 24 hours ago [-]
Meh I managed to get laid multiple times on there.
Times used to be better, before the stonerhead took over...
wolvoleo 1 days ago [-]
Well in many cases this is justified. You can't expect them to federate with something like gab (for obvious reasons), or with threads from meta. That would just aid their obvious Embrace, Extend Extinguish play here.
And there are some groups like the German fediverse that stipulate a really long and very specific list of rules and block any instance that doesn't take these over 100% verbatim, no discussion allowed. Also a good reason most of them are blocked. We've had this issue before at the progressive instance I was on.
But besides that most of them get along well. Mastodon is strong on bubble forming anyway but I personally like that. I hate seeing a post from a trans friend on e.g. instagram and then see hundreds of Americans falling over themselves to spew trans hate. Even though the post had nothing to do with that. I think bubbles are necessary in today's online world because many people are just not worth talking to anymore.
mschuster91 1 days ago [-]
> And there are some groups like the German fediverse that stipulate a really long and very specific list of rules and block any instance that doesn't take these over 100% verbatim, no discussion allowed.
Yeah guess what, I'm German LOL that's why I wrote this post
> Also a good reason most of them are blocked.
Well the problem is, it's still annoying from a user perspective - I don't care about the problems other instance admins have with the admins of my instance. And no, I don't want to maintain a dozen accounts just to make sure I can interact with everyone I want to.
> I hate seeing a post from a trans friend on e.g. instagram and then see hundreds of Americans falling over themselves to spew trans hate.
yeah the commercial social networks are just another level of shittiness, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of these "Americans" are just Russians in disguise.
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
They're just scared of getting fastroped and tear gassed and shot on the spot in their workplace to be then posthumously humiliated on TV as a hostile religious radicalist sympathizer engaging in trafficking of encrypted blasphemous drawings.
So they constantly engage in those ostentatious acts as almost a cultish rituals of its own to distance themselves from whatever it is.
Which is, frankly understandable. Behaviors of some of European counterterrorist units and NGOs/NPOs are rather unhinged. I would do the same if I were them. I'd even put up some religious symbols or donation receipts in the login page just to avoid giving them wrong ideas.
jrm4 1 days ago [-]
That is emphatically the weakness as well. I too loved the idea of "they all have their own policies," until it came to be that those policies ended up being utterly childish "I'm taking my ball and going home the second anyone says any little thing I don't like."
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
IMO the reason why BS just ended up being Twitter 2.0, or 1.2 even, or why Twitter went down its path in the first place, is that the US and EU are no longer producing enough content to justify ownership or continuous iterations of such a system.
Otherwise it wouldn't have been forced upon who begrudgingly got funding secured. Any of then-GAFA could have bought it and none wanted to touch it.
The bad moderation on those platforms, I think, is a desperate attempt to align platform cultures to the moderating entities' standards that are no longer comprehensible to users, if known at all, like a kid on a push car moving away from the park trying to steer it back.
It seemed fine until 2015 or so, streaming hundreds of novel tweets per second per user, many with novel images. Then things went downhill. Musk can't be the sole villain in it.
Philpax 1 days ago [-]
> Bluesky is founded by the same founders of Twitter and is not open and has ridiculous policies
Huh? It is remarkably open and the policies are not really an issue.
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
Bluesky has the same moderation issues as Twitter. There are people complaining their recommendation feeds are full of macho men nudity and/or furry images, or flooded by far left infights(not like relative to self-proclaimed centrism but FAR left), or straight up getting banned after they've specifically chosen the most appropriate contents, things like that.
Weird thing is that my feed is largely fine other than those gotten banned went back to Twitter. Only politics topics I get are neutral, concerns in global economy, some US and more often Ukraine. No dick pics or furries or antisemetism, just cats, more cats, food pics, infosec stuffs, all as I were back on Twitter in 2009 or so.
But there are enough reports of negative experience, so moderatuon is likely still a bit problematic. Or that compounding with lack of passionate users.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
I've gotten banned from Blue Sky for absolutely no discernible reason, and the main feeds are basically centrist slop
numpad0 12 hours ago [-]
Both Twitter and Bluesky do inexplicable bans and let evasions slide because else they will be forced to reverse a lot of it. This perpetuates a self reinforcing cycles of bans and evasions, normalizing it and undermining leaderships.
It just keeps going and worsening until they quit banning legit accounts, partially because the types lf contents that get banned is massively more popular than others, even political ragebaits, but somehow Twitter-like platforms all keeps doing it.
archagon 1 days ago [-]
tl;dr you're OK with hanging out on Stormfront Social because some people on Bluesky and Mastodon are a little bit mean.
I wish we wouldn't mince words about this because that's really the long and short of it.
(The third option, of course, is to not use social networks run by Nazis as a basic matter of principle.)
jjulius 1 days ago [-]
>I generally agree but I'm still frequently linked to X...
... so? Being linked to it is not an obligation to bother with it, neither is FOMO.
jrm4 1 days ago [-]
There is a VERY GOOD reason to do this, and this is because they are still very powerful and prevalent.
Closing your eyes and ears and going NAAH NAAH NAAH I'M GOING TO PRETEND IT DOESNT EXIST is a wildly stupid way to approach things like twitter when they are still so influential.
I appreciate experimenting with "boycotting," but when the dust settles and the thing is still very much there, you have to engage with that fact.
nancyminusone 1 days ago [-]
Depends if you thought Twitter ever had any value at all ever. I once made an account, hung around for 2 weeks,then never opened it again. So since musk owns it, it has no more or less than relevance than before.
jrm4 1 days ago [-]
It doesn't matter "what I think of its value" at this stage. It has observable effects that go beyond just me. Choosing to just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist -- or perhaps worse -- pretending that your non-participation is meaningful, is irresponsible.
swed420 1 days ago [-]
> pretending that your non-participation is meaningful, is irresponsible
What's the difference, considering X is riddled with silencing dark patterns?
archagon 1 days ago [-]
How is your participation on that network in any way meaningful?
jrm4 21 hours ago [-]
"know thy enemy"
archagon 21 hours ago [-]
"If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Sammi 1 days ago [-]
I pretend 4chan doesn't exist and everything's been fine. Now I do the same with twitter and everything is fine just the same.
jrm4 1 days ago [-]
I'd say you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe you're doing fine. But both of those places have likely had extreme effects on the world that perhaps could have been mitigated with MORE, not fewer, eyeballs paying attention to what was and is happening there.
pylotlight 22 hours ago [-]
Engaging with facts is not exactly the leftist strong suit here.
archagon 1 days ago [-]
The big picture is that the vast majority of people are not on Twitter. It is a social network for extremists and the signal to noise ratio is extremely low.
So no, you "have to" do nothing of the sort. If something happens there that's worth reporting on, reputable journalists will write about it.
jrm4 21 hours ago [-]
"reputable journalists"
oh how I wish that were a thing that carried the weight it once did
VCFundedGenYer 1 days ago [-]
You're just objectively wrong. There is no reason to entertain a Nazi website. You sound hurt as if you work for X.
jrm4 1 days ago [-]
This is exactly as intelligent as "if you don't like America, leave."
I neither love nor hate the place; in fact -- yes -- today I dislike it more than I like it.
But again, my like or dislike doesn't matter. It exists and has influence. And for that reason, there are very moral reasons to engage with it even if you think it is evil.
archagon 1 days ago [-]
Stormfront also has influence, but I still stay the fuck away.
And even if Twitter is influential, you, Joe Random, will have no effect on anything by engaging with people there. All you are is fuel for the (attention) fire.
jrm4 21 hours ago [-]
As a black person, if I thought Stormfront had considerable dangerous influence, I would quite literally try to join immediately.
afpx 1 days ago [-]
Not a very helpful comment for someone not in the know. I couldn't find anything political on their landing page.
This tool is for accessing Twitter/X, owned by Elon Musk, a far right billionaire.
afpx 1 days ago [-]
oh the parent comment sounded like a criticism of shitter, not x
I haven't consumed social media or any news for like two years. You normies will figure it all out like you always do
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
It's just a gorgeous free lunch tavern if you didn't even understand English through LLM and American right wing politics was just the cash pile for patrons to shovel into the fireplace.
There's some likely made up charts online[1] for country stats of Twitter right now, and Twitter is allegedly 2.5x more popular than it is in the US in the top two countries, which are incidentally known for strong-ish purchasing power and near-nonexistent English literacy.
Musk's ongoing massive self humiliation is largely contained to the US/English speaking space. Other parts of the world with no strong cultural understandings and pathways from the US and its politics, which is quite substantial still, are fine, ish. Things like LLM auto translation haven't made a change to that situation; it only strengthened the reverse of that pathway.
Of course there is, don't be silly. There's also no alternative at the moment, or for the foreseeable future. Sure, there's some knockoffs that try hard, but they're still jokes.
cwnyth 1 days ago [-]
You forget that Twitter is just a joke.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
What's the reason?
sergiotapia 1 days ago [-]
You are the reason Bioware is now dead and scattered to the winds.
moopie 1 days ago [-]
Yes, me pointing out that Elon Musk supports far right parties is the reason why EA execs decided to shut down BioWare to pay themselves more
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calvinmorrison 1 days ago [-]
What if i am part of the far right?
moomin 1 days ago [-]
Then reasons no longer matter to you.
calvinmorrison 1 days ago [-]
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pylotlight 22 hours ago [-]
You mean just being normal? Yep no issues then.
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add-sub-mul-div 1 days ago [-]
For someone who's been on Twitter for a long time, these alternatives function as a good off-ramp that's easier than quitting entirely and abruptly. I deleted my account a few years ago knowing I'd still be able to see some of the content without viewing their ads or contributing my own content.
Markoff 1 days ago [-]
Except when tons of gov owned services (police, firemen, emergency services) are using it to communicate with citizens...
JeremyNT 1 days ago [-]
There's a huge cohort of people who are convinced they're somehow immune to right wing propaganda and continue posting information exclusively to sites owned by reactionary oligarchs. Sometimes that information is useful or important, which is why nitter and its ilk are sorely needed.
KetoManx64 1 days ago [-]
I'll take a far right supporter over a communist supporter.
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beanjuiceII 1 days ago [-]
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moopie 1 days ago [-]
Elon Musk supports Le Pen and she’s in the Nationalist Rally party, which was started by literal SS members
And that’s just my quick googling
Akronymus 1 days ago [-]
And the democrats were in favor of slavery by that same logic
hagbard_c 1 days ago [-]
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moopie 1 days ago [-]
You should blame Nixon for using the southern strategy and making alliance of the racists that gave us Donald Trump then
Imagine going from freeing slaves to hunting people like Ilhan Omar just because she’s not white
strideashort 1 days ago [-]
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Steltek 1 days ago [-]
You don't need to go anywhere to see that Musk is far right. If you're going to claim otherwise, you're gonna need to bring some solid evidence.
The "left" spans such a huge range right now that to be "not left" is basically far right. A Republican opposing Trump is _extremely_ rare (and usually excommunicates them from the party) while on the left, you have AOC, Omar, etc actively sharing a party with Fetterman and Manchin. Right/far-right was a thing in the 2010's but not any more.
portmanteur 1 days ago [-]
Is there a list of things or beliefs that make someone "Far right"? Is there a list or reason why being labeled "far right" (by others, not oneself) should be disqualifying, or worthy of having your services abused? Nitter and its forks are in violation of the X.com terms of service, which is why they are facing legal challenges. Those challenges may be easily routed around with other technology, but Nitter and its forks are still violating the services brazenly. Are "far right" people beneath the law? Is it okay to steal from someone on the "far right"? Is it okay to commit violence against someone on the "far right"?
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strideashort 1 days ago [-]
Ah yes, you only need to set the label, those who disagree need to prove the negative. Pretty typical.
What is “far right”, btw? What are objective measurable criteria?
> The "left" spans such a huge range right now that to be "not left" is basically far right
Jesus Christ, you can’t be serious. But then again, I am not surprised that you are.
hagbard_c 1 days ago [-]
The right spans such a huge range right now that not to be right is to be "far-left". A "democrat" opposing the OmniCause ("climate, migration and 'palestine'") is _extremely_ rare and usually gets excommunicated from the Party, e.g. Fetterman and Manchin (whom you for some reason listed as 'democrats' even though the Party does its best to label and shun them) while on the right you have people ranging from Massey to Trump, Vance to Rubio, Wiles to Collins.
So maybe it is in the eye of the beholder? I certainly see far more labelling coming from the "left" side of the spectrum than from the "right" side although they're certainly catching up lately now that the communist zombie has risen from its grave again. On the "right" the general idea of the "left" seems to be that they're 'stupid', 'naive' and 'uninformed' while on the "left" the general idea of the "right" seems to be that they're 'evil', 'narrow-minded', 'racist' and '*-phobe'. Neither of these general ideas are true but that doesn't seem to bother anyone.
surgical_fire 1 days ago [-]
Er, Musk did a Nazi salute and publicly supported the AfD in Germany.
What else do you need to agree that he is far right? Wear an SS outfit? Put some people in ovens?
strideashort 1 days ago [-]
Ah, AfD, the party with female lesbians leader, right? typical far right, point taken.
Otherwise, yes, I think labeling any party which works within the legal bounds as “far” is dangerous. Because there are legit far groups which should not be permitted on both sides of the spectrum. And we better know what is legitimate and what not.
bjoli 1 days ago [-]
The leader can be a lesbian and still far right. They are against gay marriage, against talking about homosexuality in schools. There were gay Nazis, even high up. Röhm for example.
Iirc Weidel herself has made statements regarding how the society should always promote heteronormativity.
strideashort 1 days ago [-]
> The leader can be a lesbian and still far right.
Pure comedy at this point, seriously, this is hilarious.
surgical_fire 1 days ago [-]
Do you think homosexuals can't be far right?
AfD wants to do mass deportations (because nothing bad ever happened when a party in Germany had the idea to mass deport people based on ethnicity). Their leader can be a lesbian and still have a platform that is pretty extremely to the right
> Otherwise, yes, I think labeling any party which works within the legal bounds as “far” is dangerous
Keep in mind that the NSDAP also operated within the legal boundaries.
Based on your asinine rationality, labeling the fucking nazis in early 1930s as far right would be "dangerous".
strideashort 1 days ago [-]
> Keep in mind that the NSDAP also operated within the legal boundaries.
I am no expert but you might be correct - quick search shows they exploited legal loopholes, essentially hacked the system. I am afraid we haven’t learned much feom it as recent history shows.
That said, legal framework has thankfully changed since and in Europe there is the Europen Convention of Human Rights, plus the constitutional rights. That said, they are not failable, and are equally explotable by left and right, especially if the conditions are right, such as fear.
So ok, point taken, even those who operate within legal bounds today need to be watched closely - on all sides.
And yes I think being homosexual and far anything is pretty weird, as neither far left nor right would tolerate homosexuality IMO. Socialism proved that.
And btw, despite what historians tell, the NSDAP sold itself to the voters on the _left_ ideas. Fascism likewise. In fact, when blinded, some left thinkers have enforsed fascist ideas. Again, hilarious. But true.
Here are some points from fascist manifesto if you don’t believe me:
- Universal suffrage by regional list voting, with proportional representation, voting and eligibility for women.
- Minimum age for voters lowered to 18; minimum age for deputies lowered to 25.
- The prompt enactment of a state law enshrining the legal eight-hour workday for all jobs.
- Minimum wages.
- The participation of workers' representatives in the technical operation of industry.
- The entrusting to the proletarian organizations themselves (who are morally and technically worthy) of the management of public industries or services.
- The speedy and complete settlement of the railroad workers and all transportation industries.
- A necessary amendment of the Disability and Old Age Insurance Bill by lowering the age limit, currently proposed at 65, to 55.
It’s comical that an organisation endorsing and expanding these same ideas is called “antifa”. In fact, people today have no clue what fascism was, they just use it as label for whatever they disagree with, same as “far right”.
Those who don’t know history are indeed condemned to repeat it.
hagbard_c 1 days ago [-]
In the same vein there is no reason to bother with social networks owned by literal far left supporters, i.e. nearly all the others. Combined these two statements lead to the conclusion that hardly any social networks are worth bothering which is something I can get behind.
overfeed 1 days ago [-]
> In the same vein there is no reason to bother with social networks owned by literal far left supporters
Name one
queenkjuul 6 hours ago [-]
Sorry, were you under the impression mark Zuckerberg is a communist or something? Because if so, uh, you're an idiot
bluecalm 1 days ago [-]
If you think Musk is far right you will have a really bad time in coming years.
Musk holds very few far right views in comparison to parties very close to power in many EU countries for example.
He is against mass immigration, especially from Islamic countries. That is a very mainstream view though. There is nothing 'far' about it.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
Everyone is against "mass" immigration as in "let's go to country X and gather a million people and bring them to country Y", that's not controversial
It is controversial when you start pointing to individual immigrants already in country Y and saying "hey you, get the fuck out".
Which is of course why people like Musk always try to frame things as the first one. They always say things like "the president is importing one million illegals" and never say things like "one million different people decided to come here, all for different reasons"
BLKNSLVR 22 hours ago [-]
And all had to go through pretty strict processes with lots of paperwork and proof and background checks.
BLKNSLVR 22 hours ago [-]
The very fact 'they' refer to immigration as "mass immigration" means they're already pretty right heavy.
That kind of attempt to redefine what migration is, is classic manipulation of the narrative to try and appear more centrist.
Looks like it works pretty well too.
Migration levels are controlled by government and are generally based on the needs of the society being governed. I thought the rules had always been pretty strict on getting into most western countries.
bluecalm 16 hours ago [-]
>>Migration levels are controlled by government and are generally based on the needs of the society being governed. I thought the rules had always been pretty strict on getting into most western countries.
In theory, not in practice.
If they are "controlled by the government" then illegal immigrants should be deported.
What is happening is that a lot of people come illegally, often against wishes of local population. That's why it's "mass".
Speaking of EU (as Musk is often criticized for expressing his views on EU countries): majority of people support some level of remigration. Vast majority supports stopping illegal migration. Big majority is against migration from Islamic countries. Instead we get all of it at mass scale against wishes of the people. Musk is with the majority here but against ruling elite. His view is well in the middle of what people in EU support.
BLKNSLVR 15 hours ago [-]
> Instead we get all of it at mass scale
I believe that this is a false narrative that's being pushed as vote attractant.
Yeah, well, it's illegal, so even the establishment is against it. From the, admittedly minimal, sources I hear from it's way overblown by politicians and their supportive media outlets as an easy vote capturing exercise playing on basic human tribalism and fear.
ashkankiani 1 days ago [-]
His nazi salute looked pretty far up and to the right. Twice, btw.
bjoli 1 days ago [-]
He aligns with people like the AfD.
Or as we say:
It it sieg heils like a duck...
bluecalm 16 hours ago [-]
He aligns with AfD on issues where AfD is with majority of the population (stopping mass migration, some remigration) but not on all policies which make them far right.
Also more than 30% of Germans support AfD these days. Hard to call that "far" anything.
queenkjuul 6 hours ago [-]
Yeah, Germans could never support the far right, there's certainly no historical precedent for that....
moopie 1 days ago [-]
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BLKNSLVR 1 days ago [-]
I thought it should be called Xitter, but pronounced Shitter.
lioeters 1 days ago [-]
Xittier, a better Xwitter alternative
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weatherlite 1 days ago [-]
What the hell is this Xit
dewey 1 days ago [-]
Exit Twitter
leoc 1 days ago [-]
Out, damnéd xit! out, I say!
SomeonesAccount 1 days ago [-]
I made a thing that uses Nitter to have a revchron timeline of people in the tech space. No algorithm, every post shows up (unless you filter out an account). Feedback is appreciated: https://techtwitter-lime.vercel.app
jimmydoe 1 days ago [-]
somehow i feel this reflects if not also enhances the cultural position of x.com.
mv12star 1 days ago [-]
Creator of Shitter here. Thank you for featuring my fork!
alsetmusic 1 days ago [-]
Rarely am I so envious of another’s idea. This makes me jealous. I wish I’d thought of it, even though I’ve never used the original and I’d never use it after it became what it has become.
hmokiguess 1 days ago [-]
can someone explain to me how these things keep popping up and disappearing and how are they able to just spin them up at will somehow?
yoavm 1 days ago [-]
What do you mean by "how"? The code is freely available, you can spin it up at will too in just a few minutes. When they disappear, sometimes it's because the maintainer doesn't want the headache, and sometimes it's because a they're threatened to remove it.
hmokiguess 1 days ago [-]
I guess I never bothered reading the code so for whatever reason I assumed it required some extraordinary circumvention to host it that isn't very accessible
what you're saying, if I understand correctly, is that self-hosting this is trivial then
so does that mean I could run my own local instance and never get it taken down since traffic would be negligible? why do people opt to host these for others over teaching how to run your own for example?
pamcake 1 days ago [-]
> what you're saying, if I understand correctly, is that self-hosting this is trivial then
Yes. It comes encouraged.
> so does that mean I could run my own local instance and never get it taken down since traffic would be negligible?
Yes, unless the other end forbids it and really cares about controlling clients. If they do and manage to detect that you are using alternative client they could block based on that. In times where that happens and there are client devs who care, it becomes a cat-and-mouse.
Every individual running their own instance would be the equivalent of every individual having their own Twitter account, which defeats the purpose.
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
Well, not totally. It's read only, which changes how people engage. It also lets you control ordering and presentation. It also lets you hide ads.
cassianoleal 1 days ago [-]
We need a multiplexer in front of all these instances. One that works like a load balancer, health checking the individual instances and adding/removing them from the pool automatically. That would allow people to create new accounts, serve their own instance and attach them to the muxer.
No, neither of those do what I said. These are just redirectors but you need an extra step and once you've been redirected you're on that site for the remainder of your session. Furthermore, I've been redirected to unhealthy instances frequently from them.
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
Yes all of that. I think it's unwise to share details here, because X's anticircumvention team are reading HN.
AdmiralAsshat 1 days ago [-]
I assume the source code repo is still up somewhere, so I assume it's the domains that are being taken offline, not the code, and anyone can then trivially spin up their own instance.
UlyssesZhan 1 days ago [-]
The readme doesn't even say anything about why the fork is created and its difference from Nitter.
mv12star 1 days ago [-]
Creator of Shitter here. The original Nitter project has been discontinued, this fork hasn't.
dmantis 8 hours ago [-]
The diff seems to remove proxying of videos and other media and leaking client IP to twitter. Why?
jesuslop 1 days ago [-]
tnx to carry on. How is the legal shitstorm going? Any foreseeable continuity mid-term of the fork? Something for Firefox to follow links to a private instance? Love rss support.
dcre 1 days ago [-]
The fact that there is not even a sentence explaining why it's a fork, i.e., how it differs from the original, suggests this was only on the front page because of the name. Kinda dumb!
nine_k 1 days ago [-]
Is the code crap? Is it optimized for shitposting? Is it called so to show disdain towards the service formerly known as Twitter?
draw_down 1 days ago [-]
I am begging these things to use a normal fucking name for once
Vaushite 1 days ago [-]
What would you consider a normal name, though? Alternative Twitter Front-End? It'd be taken down for trademark infringement.
extraextra 1 days ago [-]
LOL
assimpleaspossi 1 days ago [-]
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valicord 1 days ago [-]
Sarcasm?
assimpleaspossi 1 days ago [-]
Absolutely not! Such low life gutter talk is not acceptable in polite society and shouldn't be allowed in any professional atmosphere. Or am I again trying to elevate HN?
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
Peepee poopoo.
Maybe your cultural values aren't my cultural values. Maybe you need to consider who you are excluding by suggesting that using a curse word is unacceptable?
Cursing has a long tradition in lower economic class culture, in some minority cultures, in queer culture, heck in mainstream cultures worldwide we say "shit", etc. You want them all to conform to your one view of how professionals should be? The curse word isn't directed at you, it isn't directed at anyone you know, or even at a person.
No, I think maybe I'd rather live in a world where people are colorful, use language that's authentic to them, and include more people in the dialog.
es1kl 1 days ago [-]
Cursing in a comment is fine. Expecting people to use a tool, perhaps daily, named after a curse word is different.
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
No one is expecting anyone to use a tool. Someone is offering a tool. Fork it and rename it. What a load of nonsense "expect".
cwnyth 1 days ago [-]
Dude created his account 30 minutes ago. He's just a cowardly troll, probably paid by Twitter.
assimpleaspossi 1 days ago [-]
>>Maybe you need to consider who you are excluding by suggesting that using a curse word is unacceptable?
I am. Thus the complaint. I would think the general audience here is of a higher caliber than low-class cultures whose values and education can't rise above profanity.
rpdillon 1 days ago [-]
Profanity is fine, even among the well-educated and elite classes. I think you're being a bit puritanical here. I've encountered this attitude before (my octogenarian dad loses his mind when I say "fuck", which I do many times daily), but there's really nothing behind all the pearl clutching - sometimes people curse, and that's Just Fine.
krapp 1 days ago [-]
>I would think the general audience here is of a higher caliber than low-class cultures whose values and education can't rise above profanity.
My person in deity "enshittification" is a technical term of art around here, and "Gimp" is both a popular graphics software and a sexual fetish term.
No one besides children and people with low emotional IQ care about such things.
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
Hopefully this person doesn't see your username! A homophone of "crap"! They'd be scandalized!
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
Ah, so racism and classism it is then. Can't be having those "poors" here on our spotless orange site. Want to say something homophobic and or sexist before we continue?
1ajhg 1 days ago [-]
If you fight like that against Musk, he'll win again at some point. Maybe not in 2028 but in 2032.
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
LoL, what are you on about?
BigTTYGothGF 1 days ago [-]
> Cursing has a long tradition in
By and large the hacker news moderators and commentariat have demonstrated that they do not welcome those cultures here.
causesothere 1 days ago [-]
For sure. This site is definitely not welcoming to everyone. Lord help you here if you are trans.
vapel 1 days ago [-]
I sure wish he did.
At least I'm living now and not in the past. I do believe in gradual progress.
Uh, shitfuck.
numpad0 1 days ago [-]
Just ignoere these trolls trying to stick X and shit branding. It'll be gone soon just like their LLM efforts if nobody mentioned.
satvikpendem 1 days ago [-]
I laughed.
fashglk 1 days ago [-]
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ly0n 1 days ago [-]
Stop using platforms that are clearly operated by fascists. Then we won't need such tools anymore.
many working instances right now: https://codeberg.org/shitter/shitter/wiki/Instances
> "A web extension that redirects YouTube, Instagram, Reddit, TikTok and other websites to alternative privacy-friendly frontends."
Example: https://shitter.thepixora.com/search?f=tweets&q=elon+musk
Wont show any pictures in Firefox for me. Works in Chrome. Can this be fixed? Thank you!
If only someone would "just" fucking build a viable replacement for Twitter. It's a weekend's work with the tools now available. C'mon. (pokes stick)
Those services are available, however, people would not stop using Twitter and will continue to do so until we stop consuming their content, then maybe they will finally get off Twitter...
Some of them would move to Instagram if it makes sense to do so, but Twitter apparently makes the best ad ROI figures among Twitter-like services.
Keep all the bullshit in one far corner, over there, in the distance, behind the big wall, topped with razor wire.
IOW, Twitter still is a social data infrastructure, like road or tap water. Something that the society depends on, that also ain't nobody paying for it, something that only makes sense at-cost max or at a loss.
I think that was always a fundamental problem with Twitter as a for-profit company. Surely it handles a large amounts of important communications, that are also not so exploitable or monetizable, ethically or not, just fundamentally.
As such, I find it easier and easier to just not visit. This is, however, entirely my own anecdotal.
Bluesky is founded by the same founders of Twitter and is not open and has ridiculous policies, Mastodon is the same, even less popular and even more tyrannical
So the choice for most users, including myself, is tightly moderated spaces run by awful people, or a website run by a literal Nazi, but that at least doesn't ban me on sight
The Musk twitter acquisition (and the sieg heil at the inauguration) were pivotal moments where a good alternative could've surfaced but instead we got twitter 2.0 (and moving from Twitter to Twitter 2 seems entirely pointless even if it wasn't badly moderated on top of that)
It's like Microsoft saying they want a distinct culture among the users of their software. They can want it but it's not gonna happen. Within the mastodon community there's also a lot of servers that won't federate, for example the Germans always have very strict rules that they try to impose on everyone else. So most of the world does not federate with them anymore. *)
I mean there's even stuff like gab and truth social that run on fediverse tech. Not sure if it's mastodon itself or another implementation but that doesn't really matter. They certainly don't meet those culture and values.
And there is no 'mainstream fediverse'. Nothing about fediverse is mainstream to begin with. Unfortunately.
*) Don't get me wrong, I'm very progessive myself but the way the German fediverse community goes about it is wrong. "Follow exactly our rules otherwise you are defederated". That doesn't fly even if I agree with most of those rules.
Gargron also decided that laws in his home country considers even linking to certain images illegal and various forms of labelings and voluntary policing from abroad tangential to legality and useless.
They packaged those standards and decisions as something along necessary measures to curb terrorism or whatever, and took the measures to effectively cut off said 2/3 plus some off of the "main Mastodon network", so to speak. Those measures lasted for years, until I think less than a year ago(you'll know what I'm talking about from my immediate comment history).
You could have a kolektiva app but they obviously don't want to.
What's the ""main Mastodon network""?
Gab/Truth was easy and not that controversial, but content moderation was a lot more problematic, so they introduced a published instance blocklist system and had operators join the condemnation while also throwing wrenches at instance chooser interfaces online and/or hardcoded, because otherwise the "main" part will become a permanent minority.
I think any modern LLMs would see/know what I mean. Ask your agent if you need more information along this lore.
This is in the google play store too: https://github.com/aeharding/voyager Though I get it from F-Droid obviously.
I don't know about Apple, its ecosystem is way too closed for me. But Google offers fediverse apps.
And its biggest weakness because instance admins keep bitchfighting with each other, holding their users hostage.
Times used to be better, before the stonerhead took over...
And there are some groups like the German fediverse that stipulate a really long and very specific list of rules and block any instance that doesn't take these over 100% verbatim, no discussion allowed. Also a good reason most of them are blocked. We've had this issue before at the progressive instance I was on.
But besides that most of them get along well. Mastodon is strong on bubble forming anyway but I personally like that. I hate seeing a post from a trans friend on e.g. instagram and then see hundreds of Americans falling over themselves to spew trans hate. Even though the post had nothing to do with that. I think bubbles are necessary in today's online world because many people are just not worth talking to anymore.
Yeah guess what, I'm German LOL that's why I wrote this post
> Also a good reason most of them are blocked.
Well the problem is, it's still annoying from a user perspective - I don't care about the problems other instance admins have with the admins of my instance. And no, I don't want to maintain a dozen accounts just to make sure I can interact with everyone I want to.
> I hate seeing a post from a trans friend on e.g. instagram and then see hundreds of Americans falling over themselves to spew trans hate.
yeah the commercial social networks are just another level of shittiness, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of these "Americans" are just Russians in disguise.
So they constantly engage in those ostentatious acts as almost a cultish rituals of its own to distance themselves from whatever it is.
Which is, frankly understandable. Behaviors of some of European counterterrorist units and NGOs/NPOs are rather unhinged. I would do the same if I were them. I'd even put up some religious symbols or donation receipts in the login page just to avoid giving them wrong ideas.
Otherwise it wouldn't have been forced upon who begrudgingly got funding secured. Any of then-GAFA could have bought it and none wanted to touch it.
The bad moderation on those platforms, I think, is a desperate attempt to align platform cultures to the moderating entities' standards that are no longer comprehensible to users, if known at all, like a kid on a push car moving away from the park trying to steer it back.
It seemed fine until 2015 or so, streaming hundreds of novel tweets per second per user, many with novel images. Then things went downhill. Musk can't be the sole villain in it.
Huh? It is remarkably open and the policies are not really an issue.
Weird thing is that my feed is largely fine other than those gotten banned went back to Twitter. Only politics topics I get are neutral, concerns in global economy, some US and more often Ukraine. No dick pics or furries or antisemetism, just cats, more cats, food pics, infosec stuffs, all as I were back on Twitter in 2009 or so.
But there are enough reports of negative experience, so moderatuon is likely still a bit problematic. Or that compounding with lack of passionate users.
It just keeps going and worsening until they quit banning legit accounts, partially because the types lf contents that get banned is massively more popular than others, even political ragebaits, but somehow Twitter-like platforms all keeps doing it.
I wish we wouldn't mince words about this because that's really the long and short of it.
(The third option, of course, is to not use social networks run by Nazis as a basic matter of principle.)
... so? Being linked to it is not an obligation to bother with it, neither is FOMO.
Closing your eyes and ears and going NAAH NAAH NAAH I'M GOING TO PRETEND IT DOESNT EXIST is a wildly stupid way to approach things like twitter when they are still so influential.
I appreciate experimenting with "boycotting," but when the dust settles and the thing is still very much there, you have to engage with that fact.
What's the difference, considering X is riddled with silencing dark patterns?
So no, you "have to" do nothing of the sort. If something happens there that's worth reporting on, reputable journalists will write about it.
oh how I wish that were a thing that carried the weight it once did
I neither love nor hate the place; in fact -- yes -- today I dislike it more than I like it.
But again, my like or dislike doesn't matter. It exists and has influence. And for that reason, there are very moral reasons to engage with it even if you think it is evil.
And even if Twitter is influential, you, Joe Random, will have no effect on anything by engaging with people there. All you are is fuel for the (attention) fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_Elon_M...
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/17/opinion/elon-musk-republi...
https://ecfr.eu/article/musks-war-on-european-democracy-how-...
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-x-influence-uk-us-polit...
Hope that helps.
I haven't consumed social media or any news for like two years. You normies will figure it all out like you always do
There's some likely made up charts online[1] for country stats of Twitter right now, and Twitter is allegedly 2.5x more popular than it is in the US in the top two countries, which are incidentally known for strong-ish purchasing power and near-nonexistent English literacy.
Musk's ongoing massive self humiliation is largely contained to the US/English speaking space. Other parts of the world with no strong cultural understandings and pathways from the US and its politics, which is quite substantial still, are fine, ish. Things like LLM auto translation haven't made a change to that situation; it only strengthened the reverse of that pathway.
1: https://soax.com/research/twitter-active-users
And that’s just my quick googling
Imagine going from freeing slaves to hunting people like Ilhan Omar just because she’s not white
The "left" spans such a huge range right now that to be "not left" is basically far right. A Republican opposing Trump is _extremely_ rare (and usually excommunicates them from the party) while on the left, you have AOC, Omar, etc actively sharing a party with Fetterman and Manchin. Right/far-right was a thing in the 2010's but not any more.
What is “far right”, btw? What are objective measurable criteria?
> The "left" spans such a huge range right now that to be "not left" is basically far right
Jesus Christ, you can’t be serious. But then again, I am not surprised that you are.
So maybe it is in the eye of the beholder? I certainly see far more labelling coming from the "left" side of the spectrum than from the "right" side although they're certainly catching up lately now that the communist zombie has risen from its grave again. On the "right" the general idea of the "left" seems to be that they're 'stupid', 'naive' and 'uninformed' while on the "left" the general idea of the "right" seems to be that they're 'evil', 'narrow-minded', 'racist' and '*-phobe'. Neither of these general ideas are true but that doesn't seem to bother anyone.
What else do you need to agree that he is far right? Wear an SS outfit? Put some people in ovens?
Otherwise, yes, I think labeling any party which works within the legal bounds as “far” is dangerous. Because there are legit far groups which should not be permitted on both sides of the spectrum. And we better know what is legitimate and what not.
Iirc Weidel herself has made statements regarding how the society should always promote heteronormativity.
Pure comedy at this point, seriously, this is hilarious.
AfD wants to do mass deportations (because nothing bad ever happened when a party in Germany had the idea to mass deport people based on ethnicity). Their leader can be a lesbian and still have a platform that is pretty extremely to the right
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/09/07/europe/afd-first-place-sa...
> Otherwise, yes, I think labeling any party which works within the legal bounds as “far” is dangerous
Keep in mind that the NSDAP also operated within the legal boundaries.
Based on your asinine rationality, labeling the fucking nazis in early 1930s as far right would be "dangerous".
I am no expert but you might be correct - quick search shows they exploited legal loopholes, essentially hacked the system. I am afraid we haven’t learned much feom it as recent history shows.
That said, legal framework has thankfully changed since and in Europe there is the Europen Convention of Human Rights, plus the constitutional rights. That said, they are not failable, and are equally explotable by left and right, especially if the conditions are right, such as fear.
So ok, point taken, even those who operate within legal bounds today need to be watched closely - on all sides.
And yes I think being homosexual and far anything is pretty weird, as neither far left nor right would tolerate homosexuality IMO. Socialism proved that.
And btw, despite what historians tell, the NSDAP sold itself to the voters on the _left_ ideas. Fascism likewise. In fact, when blinded, some left thinkers have enforsed fascist ideas. Again, hilarious. But true.
Here are some points from fascist manifesto if you don’t believe me:
- Universal suffrage by regional list voting, with proportional representation, voting and eligibility for women.
- Minimum age for voters lowered to 18; minimum age for deputies lowered to 25.
- The prompt enactment of a state law enshrining the legal eight-hour workday for all jobs.
- Minimum wages.
- The participation of workers' representatives in the technical operation of industry.
- The entrusting to the proletarian organizations themselves (who are morally and technically worthy) of the management of public industries or services.
- The speedy and complete settlement of the railroad workers and all transportation industries.
- A necessary amendment of the Disability and Old Age Insurance Bill by lowering the age limit, currently proposed at 65, to 55.
It’s comical that an organisation endorsing and expanding these same ideas is called “antifa”. In fact, people today have no clue what fascism was, they just use it as label for whatever they disagree with, same as “far right”.
Those who don’t know history are indeed condemned to repeat it.
Name one
He is against mass immigration, especially from Islamic countries. That is a very mainstream view though. There is nothing 'far' about it.
It is controversial when you start pointing to individual immigrants already in country Y and saying "hey you, get the fuck out".
Which is of course why people like Musk always try to frame things as the first one. They always say things like "the president is importing one million illegals" and never say things like "one million different people decided to come here, all for different reasons"
That kind of attempt to redefine what migration is, is classic manipulation of the narrative to try and appear more centrist.
Looks like it works pretty well too.
Migration levels are controlled by government and are generally based on the needs of the society being governed. I thought the rules had always been pretty strict on getting into most western countries.
In theory, not in practice. If they are "controlled by the government" then illegal immigrants should be deported. What is happening is that a lot of people come illegally, often against wishes of local population. That's why it's "mass".
Speaking of EU (as Musk is often criticized for expressing his views on EU countries): majority of people support some level of remigration. Vast majority supports stopping illegal migration. Big majority is against migration from Islamic countries. Instead we get all of it at mass scale against wishes of the people. Musk is with the majority here but against ruling elite. His view is well in the middle of what people in EU support.
I believe that this is a false narrative that's being pushed as vote attractant.
> Vast majority supports stopping illegal migration
Yeah, well, it's illegal, so even the establishment is against it. From the, admittedly minimal, sources I hear from it's way overblown by politicians and their supportive media outlets as an easy vote capturing exercise playing on basic human tribalism and fear.
Or as we say: It it sieg heils like a duck...
what you're saying, if I understand correctly, is that self-hosting this is trivial then
so does that mean I could run my own local instance and never get it taken down since traffic would be negligible? why do people opt to host these for others over teaching how to run your own for example?
Yes. It comes encouraged.
> so does that mean I could run my own local instance and never get it taken down since traffic would be negligible?
Yes, unless the other end forbids it and really cares about controlling clients. If they do and manage to detect that you are using alternative client they could block based on that. In times where that happens and there are client devs who care, it becomes a cat-and-mouse.
Every individual running their own instance would be the equivalent of every individual having their own Twitter account, which defeats the purpose.
Maybe your cultural values aren't my cultural values. Maybe you need to consider who you are excluding by suggesting that using a curse word is unacceptable?
Cursing has a long tradition in lower economic class culture, in some minority cultures, in queer culture, heck in mainstream cultures worldwide we say "shit", etc. You want them all to conform to your one view of how professionals should be? The curse word isn't directed at you, it isn't directed at anyone you know, or even at a person.
No, I think maybe I'd rather live in a world where people are colorful, use language that's authentic to them, and include more people in the dialog.
I am. Thus the complaint. I would think the general audience here is of a higher caliber than low-class cultures whose values and education can't rise above profanity.
My person in deity "enshittification" is a technical term of art around here, and "Gimp" is both a popular graphics software and a sexual fetish term.
No one besides children and people with low emotional IQ care about such things.
By and large the hacker news moderators and commentariat have demonstrated that they do not welcome those cultures here.
At least I'm living now and not in the past. I do believe in gradual progress.
Uh, shitfuck.